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thecybrwlf
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Ok if you haven't noticed by now (not like I would post it), I don't care for Vista (damn looks like I just did). It's not like I'm saying I will NEVER go to Vista, it's just right now it doesn't offer me any incentive to make the jump, except fot DirectX 10. Is that incentive enough to make the jump? I don't think so. Any way this is about compatibility not a debate, and this is the results of a Gaming Mag which is proabably biased towards Vista but here are the results anyway.
While I would have loved to seen the same games tested with a DX9 card and a more down to earth system they chose a 8800 GTS, Athlon FX-60, 2GB DDR400 Corsair. They claim not to tweaked any setting except for patches, drivers, and changing the resolution on a default Vista Ultimate install.
Just like when Win98 ruled all and Win2k was struggling with drivers/issues, Vista has some basic issues. Some require running in XP Compatibility mode, Some running as Admin, either way most of the games install and play without issue.
This attachment is an except from the article, and contains most of the games we see at lans including 3 mmos. There were others but they were mostly single player and I wasn't interested how well Sims2 faired in this area (btw Sims2 works fine since I mentioned it).
So what does this mean? I dunno. Was talking game compatability with some friends and thought this was interesting. Did it convince me? Nope. When Win2k was just starting to do games I didn't move over and I'm not gonna do it now either. Early adopters of tech will make it good for the masses but I'm still holding out till there is a REAL reason to switch. And just something to think about, since Vista supports OpenGL and Mac/Linux use it too it might mean that more game companies will switch to that to sell more games to a wider market. Unreal Tournament 3 and Quake Wars both promise a native linux client, is it so hard to believe that these titles might not use OpenGL to acheive this? It might even restart development to upgrade OpenGL and either improve it or develop the next open standard for video game development. ... At least that is my hope.
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MrD1sturbed
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| I will tell you first hand how well Vista works with games as I am going to be dual booting my XPS to support XP MCE & Vista Ultimate.
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CyberfireX
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| we have been using it at work and the only thing vista seems to add to a system is lag and this is just enterprise use, no games ... it chews threw ram....until I find something I absolutely need to run that is vista only I will NOT be upgrading
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MrD1sturbed
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Well the Vista install was a flawless. It actually had drivers for almost all of my XPS's devices. From start to finish install took 28 min. After Install I was able to connect to a wifi network with 2 clicks. Seems very fast although I don't have anything extra loaded. So far so good. Tomorrow I will start loading my games I will keep everyone updated on my progress.
Oh FYI I am using Vista Ultimate with no key and no activation. Since I am just trialing it I chose not to actually buy it yet.
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satanklawz
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For those who know, maybe I should put vista on my desktop 
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abysal
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Age: 28
Joined: 05 Dec 2003
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I've installed vista on my work laptop, I the laptop is a core duo 1.63 GHz , 2 GB ram and a 7200 rpm drive. The drive and memory were upgraded prior to the vista install. The Vista OS runs as fast / or the same as WinXP ran with only 1GB ram, and a 5400 rpm drive.
Startup is faster with Vista. Aero runs on my onboard GMA 950 intel video, looks nice and the 3d desktop does seem to be faster overall then the old WinXP desktop. I'm sure the story would be different if I had not upgraded drive and ram.
Battery life seems the same , maybe even a bit better. The dream scene stuff is cool, lets you have video / 3d animated wall papers basically. Runs without too much of a performance hit on my onboard video.
Now as far as software goes; no more net stumbler, wireshark works which is a plus though. No more pptp mschap v1 vpns to cisco pix ios 6.x, you have to config with pap or chap which sucks ass. Wireless doesn't come back after i hibernate, it does come back 95% of the time from stand-by / sleep. I have to disable / endable network adapter.
UAC is a good thought but only if you could customize it.. otherwise just turn it off. Cannot change color background of selected items in explorer.. it's that gay light blue which you can see very well.. at least not on my lcd.
Search is also gimped, as far as I know you can no longer search for items by specifying a after and before date, you can only search for items before a date or after a date, not in between... I have no clue as which search was gimped this way. I got used to the new 'toolbar / menuless" explorer.. you can press alt and the tool menu bars appear.
I miss the floating ctrl-alt-del box, replaced by a welcome screen which you can enable the ctrl-alt-del option. You can have the last user name / icon displayed for the login box, but the login screen will also display any other user's names and icons on the welcome screen. Only work around I've seen to prevent advertising of what user accounts are on your PC was to ditch the "display last username in login box" convenience. However you maybe able to set a local gpo that removes the other users from the welcome screen altogether like the admin account was removed on XP.
Friend of mine installed Vista on his main box with a 7300 GS, 2 GB ram, 2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 X2, and is having sound issue in some games, and games like the new CnC3 start playing at 25 fps and degrade to 2 - 3 fps after a short while, I'm sure it's driver related. Eve plays fine however with no noticable performance hit.
But from any benchmarks and reviews I've seen vista with current video / sound drivers slows games by about 10 - 25% or even more for certain openGL games. The slow down is alot more then what we saw with the transition from Win2k to WinXP.
Bottom line, the new Aero looks is no where enough for me to make it my main gaming OS. However for web and media I could probably do it. For work.. I'm going back to XP.
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Sythro
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| I think that Vista will flop and we'll just skip to the next OS, like we did from 98se to ME. ME = very bad idea. 2000 was OK but not great. XP was and is still a good OS. I just don't see Vista taking off since it's a resource hog and causes performance hits unless you have a top of the line system.
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abysal
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| Shit man I cut you! don't ever talk bad about 2k!
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CyberfireX
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| I have to agree with Arek 2000 is still the most stable workstation O/S that ms ever put out (short of dos 2.x) the only issue it had was it wasn't meant for media/gaming.
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Sythro
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| 2000 took FOREVER to boot.
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Vile
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MrD1sturbed
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Ok I have been using Vista on my gaming box now for almost a week and I have absolutely NOTHING bad to say about it. It played C&C3 flawlessly. So far I have found stable drivers for all of my laptop's devices including the Soundblaster Audigy MB, bluetooth, and Nvidia 7900GTX. Performance wise I have not seen any major hits. I have Aero on full and my performance is on par with my XPP desktop setup. My Vista experience score was a 4.7 for those who were wondering.
Specs of the laptop:
Dell XPS M1710
T2400 (1.83 Dual Core)
2gb G.Skill DDR 667
100gb SATA hdd (Seagate Momentus 7200.1)
Nvidia 7900GTX 512mb
Sigmatel HD Audio w/Soundblaster Audigy MB overlay
Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Dell BT350)
Intel WiFi a/b/g (3945)
NEC 6650a DVDRW
Vista Ultimate
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thecybrwlf
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| But the question becomes other then the Game Explorer dealie is there anything that Vista offers that XP already doesn't have and don't say directx10 cause most games RIGHT NOW don't even take full advantage of 9 let alone use 10 in any manner that is appealing. I know Crysis and others will change that soon enough but right NOW, is there any thing that Vista Adds that XP doesn't?
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MrD1sturbed
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No but it sure is purdy!
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No right now there is not i will 100% agree with you on that. In the future yes DX10 will be the reason most gamers upgrade to Vista. I am just speaking from the stand point of a gamer who is interested in it now. From my testing I have not run into any of the driver or performance issues that seem to be plauging the many Vista users out there. Does that mean that you are guarenteed to have the same ease of use? HELL NO, but you never really know till you try. My thing is this, right now Microsoft is basically allowing people to use Vista FOR FREE and not get in trouble or have to worry about crippled features (thanks to the handy skip rearm feature that is BUILT IN to Vista). So to anyone who wants to try it out I say go for it. I was planning on dual booting my gaming box but as it stands now I will not be doing that in favor of running Vista full time. If and when I come across an issue that can't be fixed I will then fall back to XP.
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Digger
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Well we have had Vista running here at work for about 8 months or so?? Well since the beta release.
As mentioned by CyberFireX it does chew through RAM like a beast. But if you go in to Group Policy and tear out all the bells and whistles, that most enterprise enviros don't need, it speeds up dramatically.
Game wise MS Sim X is pretty dam amazing but thats about the only truely compatible game I have seen run on Vista.
My gamebox is not changing yet, I'm still sticking with XP, but my general desktop is going Vista ASAP.
I always loved WinBlinds and all the gadgets u can dl and design. So now I can design my own and/or dl others without the need for the added software install for WinBlinds.
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Shriker
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| No offense, but how is a new OS that's at least $100 bucks for the Home Basic upgrade, better then a $20 program and any thousands of the free widgets out there?
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CompMage
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Vista....the new big unknown. I've been playing with Vista since the second beta release. I really REALLY wanted to like vista. But I just can't yet. It's not the driver support. It's a new OS, BFD it's going to happen. Same thing happened when we moved to XP and it was a lot worse. Worse yet was the move to 2K from 9x. You could not even force the drivers then.
My problems are this.
1. Run as Admin.... I am the administrator, I am the owner, I don't like having to answer to what microsoft THINKS I should be using my computer for and like. Nothing makes me more mad about the OS then opening a game and not being able to save cause it don't have permission to write to disc or some crap like that. Also. Have you tried to use to "Command Prompt" that they have made so powerful in Vista and Server 2003. Wait, you can't even do an ipconfig /release or /renew or /ANYTHING. You just get "You need esculated permissions to use this command"
FIX: Create a template that gives a little more control to the user but not the complete security disable that it currently has. I don't know....
2. And this is kinda minor. I the new start menu drives me nuts. that's all. Not enough to make me not use it. And I know I'll get used to it. but it's strange and....well I don't like it, but I like AREO so meh.
FIX: Install XP
That is why I can't stand vista. I want to be the master of my computer. If I wanted a computer I can't do anything on. I would buy a bloody MAC!! at lest then I know it would be fairly stable!
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abysal
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| You can enable command prompt to run as admin. Also Mr.D good to hear that Vista is working out for you, Halo 2 DX10 is right around the corner also. I've recently read several posts here and there that nVidia's latest drivers close the performance / stability gap on the 8800 series card significantly.
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Digger
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[quote="Shriker"]No offense, but how is a new OS that's at least $100 bucks for the Home Basic upgrade, better then a $20 program and any thousands of the free widgets out there?[/quote]
Well I was and still am a big fan of WindowBlinds, objectDock, and DesktopX. But the products had their own TSR's that took up space in RAM. Granted it wasn't to much RAM but I'm a bit anal about my TSR's. But the development tools for specifically object dock and desktopX was based loosely on VB and their own design tool.
For what I have seen thus far the widgets and desktop customization is now rolled in to a VB library in Vista itself. Thus making the creation of widgets more familiar to VB developers. So basically their is no need to purchase the products and I can still develop widgets on my own.
Me and a friend have been playing with the idea of developing Vista themes that make your desktop look like the interior of your favorite car. It would have the dashboard and photo realistic textures, so the plush leatherette would look exactly like the cars. And of course all the gauges and buttons would work also.
I have already claimed the job of creating the fuzzy dice that hang from the rear view mirror. 
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BigFNDeal
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I am running Vista on my main gaming machine and am doing so flawlessly as well. I will say that I see no reason to run Vista if your not fully DX10 capable in your hardware. MrD will disagree with me, but I really don't see it. I have an 8800gtx 768MB and I can fully implement DX10 whihc alows WDM to work as its supposed to. For those that are unaware, in XP, the desktop is handeled by the OS and the video card draws it all the time regardless of what is being shown. However in Vista the dekstop is handled by DirectX and thus is only drawn when the desktop is shown. This takes a huge load off the video card and allows gamers to run Aero.
I obviously have turned quite a bit off and am getting ready to create my 1st vLite disc and attempt to install a Vista version with some stuff removed from the start, but I have had no stability issues at all thus far.
A big part of why I am having the succes I am is because I am not installing a number of the everyday use programs like firefox, thunderbird, gaim, foobar2000 and others. These apps I am using as portableapps, running them from my thumbdrive. I am only installing apps that cannot be portable auch as spybot, drivers and associated apps, such as the audio console for my X-Fi, and games.
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CyberfireX
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| BigFNDeal wrote: |
A big part of why I am having the succes I am is because I am not installing a number of the everyday use programs like firefox, thunderbird, gaim, foobar2000 and others. These apps I am using as portableapps, running them from my thumbdrive. I am only installing apps that cannot be portable auch as spybot, drivers and associated apps, such as the audio console for my X-Fi, and games. |
Why the hell should you have to do that though?
Vista = ME 2007
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MrD1sturbed
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| The thing is that Steve is the only one taking this approach. I have all my apps installed and still have no problems. I would agree with Steve that Vista is kinda pointless with out the ability to run DX10. I may not be able to run DX10 yet however I am enjoying Vista. I will say this, in the 2 months that I have had Vista installed I have not once had an issue with driver support or a game that I could not run. I have also not had a single BSOD during my usage (can't say the same for boot up but I know what is causing that and it will be resolved as soon as I go to a full licensed copy of Vista, lol).
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BigFNDeal
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| CyberfireX wrote: | | BigFNDeal wrote: |
A big part of why I am having the succes I am is because I am not installing a number of the everyday use programs like firefox, thunderbird, gaim, foobar2000 and others. These apps I am using as portableapps, running them from my thumbdrive. I am only installing apps that cannot be portable auch as spybot, drivers and associated apps, such as the audio console for my X-Fi, and games. |
Why the hell should you have to do that though?
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I don't HAVE to do it. I do it because its convenient for me. I move between my desktop and laptop pretty much all time and it works for me. I am in no way suggesting you HAVE to do it that way, you can do whatever you want.
| MrD1sturbed wrote: | | The thing is that Steve is the only one taking this approach. |
Who's Steve?
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MrD1sturbed
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[quote="BigFNDeal"][quote="CyberfireX"][quote="BigFNDeal"]
A big part of why I am having the succes I am is because I am not installing a number of the everyday use programs like firefox, thunderbird, gaim, foobar2000 and others. These apps I am using as portableapps, running them from my thumbdrive. I am only installing apps that cannot be portable auch as spybot, drivers and associated apps, such as the audio console for my X-Fi, and games.[/quote]
Why the hell should you have to do that though?
Vista = ME 2007[/quote]
I don't HAVE to do it. I do it because its convenient for me. I move between my desktop and laptop pretty much all time and it works for me. I am in no way suggesting you HAVE to do it that way, you can do whatever you want.
[quote="MrD1sturbed"]The thing is that Steve is the only one taking this approach.[/quote]
Who's Steve?[/quote]
Oh good freakin lord 
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| MrD1sturbed wrote: | | BigFNDeal wrote: | | Who's Steve? |
Oh good freakin lord |
*blink, ok i think someone needs to check him into therapy.
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