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Kevin3824
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| I was told yesterday that there is going to be a new PCI standard comming out in August this year. The new standard will be much faster then the current AGP standard. However it will not be backward compatible to the current PCI Standard. If that is the case the current pricing on AGP video cards is bound to drop dramatically right after they release the new PCI Standard cards so if your looking to upgrade your video card you will save alot if you wait till after the new pci standard is released. You might be able to get the 256 MB card after the release for pretty cheap. Just a heads up I guess
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XP|SANA
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| Yeah, been waiting for this for a while. Curious to see if all of the hype it is getting is legit. I would probably move over to the PCI Express with my video cards, as I usually buy the more expensive video cards.
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Flux
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| Bastard.. If you have that much money.. You should spread the wealth brother.
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XP|SANA
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| I spend money I don't have.
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Flux
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| Nice.. I have that same sickness.. You aren't alone.
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abysal
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| PCI Express will be backwards compatible with regualar PCI cards. AGP will be gone so you will require a new PCI Express vid card.
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Flux
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| Thanks for the info brother.
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thecybrwlf
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Also the "replacement" slot will be 16x. At first there will be only 1 PCI-X slot like this (kinda like AGP) but as it phases out AGP and old PCI they are talking about adding more 16x speed PCI-X slots and then you can do TRUE multi-video card all running at the same bus and all.
Yes I know most high end cards have multi heads of some type but if they do this it will allow 4-6 screens without proprietary video cards very easily. I know this is not for everyone but I really like the idea. Rather then have an AGP and PCI so it.
First BTX mobo's (supposedly being released in 2004) will have
1 - 16x PCI-X slot
1 - 1x PCI-X slot
and built in lan/sound will be on board using an onboard 1x PCI-X channel.
Can't wait to see these bad boys but I doubt I will buy First Gen. But in the mean time I'll max out my OLD ATX.
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Kevin3824
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Check this out:
I found this on nvidia site
NVIDIA Introduces Industry's First Top-to-Bottom Family of PCI Express GPUs
New NVIDIA GeForce PCX (PCI Express-based product) Family Features Innovative High-Speed Interconnect Technology for Performance and Stability
For further information, contact:
Brian Burke
NVIDIA Corporation
(512) 401-4385
bburke@nvidia.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
INTEL DEVELOPER CONFERENCE-SAN FRANCISCO -FEBRUARY 17, 2004-NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA), the worldwide leader in visual processing solutions, today unveiled the industry’s first top-to-bottom family of PCI Express graphics processing units (GPUs), all designed to take full advantage of the additional bandwidth and features that this new I/O interconnection standard delivers. By using an innovative PCI Express (PCX) high-speed interconnect (HSI), a complex piece of networking technology that performs seamless, bi-directional interconnect protocol conversion at incredible speed lines, NVIDIA can transform its current award-winning GeForce FX series into a full-family of PCI Express GPUs.
The new family includes:
NVIDIA GeForce PCX 5950– based on the DX9 GeForce architecture, this new GPU delivers extreme graphics power and performance for extreme gamers.
NVIDIA GeForce PCX 5750 – designed for high-performance gaming with NVIDIA’s full suite of cinematic effects and an unmatched feature set.
NVIDIA GeForce PCX 5300 –delivers state-of-the-art, best-in-class features and the reliability users have come to expect from NVIDIA, at an affordable price.
NVIDIA GeForce PCX 4300 – provides entry-level pricing coupled with strong performance, unbeatable visual quality, and DVD playback.
“The PCI Express transition is going to be an exciting time for the PC industry,” stated Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO at NVIDIA. “By aligning ourselves closely with Intel and helping define this new specification, we were able to engineer an innovative protocol engine, in HSI, that delivers the full-PCI Express feature set without any compromises. HSI and PCI Express will enable a new level of performance for high bandwidth applications like graphics and networking.”
In addition, last week in Taipei, Taiwan, NVIDIA validated its family of GeForce PCX products with the industry’s top motherboard, chipset, and BIOS vendors. NVIDIA has already shipped more than 1,000 PCI Express boards to customers and partners.
“NVIDIA is one of several key players in the PCI Express technology initiative, so it is fitting that they selected Intel’s premiere technology showcase to introduce their PCI Express product family,” said Randy Wilhelm, vice president, desktop platforms group and general manager, client platform division at Intel Corporation. “By working closely with companies such as NVIDIA, the industry is experiencing revolutionary new advancements in PC technology at a remarkable pace.”
By qualifying a single unified device, NVIDIA partners can launch and be the first to validate, launch and market an entire family of PCI Express solutions. Products based on this new design are expected to become available in the second half of 2004 from the world’s leading add-in card manufacturers including: Albatron Technology, Co. Ltd, AOpen, Anextek, ASUS Computer International, Chaintech, Gainward Co., Ltd., Gigabyte Technology, Co., Ltd., Leadtek Research, Inc., MSI, Palit Microsystems, Inc., Pine, XFX, a Division of Pine, Prolink Computer Inc,, and Sparkle.
As a Gold Sponsor of the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) Spring 2004, NVIDIA is showcasing the results of their collaborative engineering efforts with industry players, such as Intel. NVIDIA and Intel processors form the foundation for many PCs, notebooks, workstations, gaming systems, media centers, and handheld devices being produced worldwide, and they are all on display at IDF. Intel and companies like NVIDIA enjoy a long-standing collaborative relationship with the common goal of driving progress in PC technology, including transitioning the PC industry to an advanced PC bus architecture, PCI Express. Since the graphics processing unit (GPU) has the largest bandwidth demand of all the PC subsystems, NVIDIA has been a key contributor to the joint definition, development, and deployment of PCI Express solutions. NVIDIA also serves as a member of PCI-SIG, the industry organization that owns the PCI Express specification.
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abysal
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| Does anyone have a link to what these BTX mobos look like? I read that you will need a new case to fit them. So far they sound gay....
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abysal
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| Cool! I'll check that out, but I also found this http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1876&p=2 on AnandTech.com. Looking at that would make my previous statement false in stating that current PCI cards will be backwards compatible with PCI-X slots. I think that the article I read before may have said that next gen mobos will still be backwards compatible with PCI cards via the inclusion of PCI slots.
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Kevin3824
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Where did you read you will need a new case for the new motherboards? I was under the impression they would need larger power supplies but would still follow the current ATX standard. Thought they were just going to take out the AGP slot at first and put in a PCI-X slot instead. Over time will wipe out all the older PCI slots and replace them with PCI-X. This new format will be great for the 64 bit systems as well. Also any news on when Microsoft is going to have a 64 bit OS that supports Multi media? 
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Kevin3824
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| If a new case is required I think we all might start to consider liquid cooling if we don't have that already. The new processors run real hot especially if you over clock them.
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| Liquid cooling is too much maintenance. If anything, I would recommend the vapor cooling units if you do not plan on moving the PC, as it would weigh about 150lbs. Trust me, I know from experience!
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thecybrwlf
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PCI-X will be released on the new BTX mobo's... to my knowledge (based on what I read) there are no plans to put PCI-X on an ATX mobo. But since they are putting regular PCI slots on the BTX it stands to reason that the a mobo trying to cash in on the fact that you will need to replace your case and probably mak a regular ATX mobo with PCI-X slots on it.
But at that point , if I'm gonna buy a new MOBO anyway ... might as well be the newer standard espcially since the new standard is suppose to maximise air flow from the front to the bac of case. I'm not going water or vapor cool on my LANPARTY box (which will probably be the BTX one) but I might consider it for a server box at home.
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Flux
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| Well .. I guess we're all bitching out and going intel.. I can't wait to see what AMD does to accomodate this standard.
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Kevin3824
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I think Flux is right had not thought about it I guess. I am sure AMD will come out with something to be compatable. Otherwise companies like NEWEGG would have to go out of business. HEHEHE
Couldn't help myself there thought that was really a funny thought.
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thecybrwlf
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Maybe I'm not seeing something. To my understanding BTX is the new Standard in MOBO form factors. It's not Intel or AMD based, just the form factor which mobos and cases will be based on. I'm sure mobo makers are going to still have a AMD line of the same BTX mobo's as the Intels, minus the obvious differences (Pinless CPU, different chipset).
So how is that "bitching out and going intel"?
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If you read the Tom's hardware.. It's "riddled" with the words intel spec. And there is no mention what so ever about any AMD chipsets.. And also .. I do not see AMD releasing their 64's under the new CPU package that seems to be a part of the BTX standard. So .. This is obviously and Intel created standard.. Let's see what AMD does to respond .. Because I sure don't see the article about the new AMD BTX mobo's .. I mean if I'm wrong then bury me in the ground and send me a link. 
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Kevin3824
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| I think part of the reason why you see no mention of AMD in the new specs is because the new PCI-X standard is being created by only a handful of companies. The biggest one of which happens to be Intel. They seem to me to be putting a heavy enphasis on their Extreme processors and the Prescott chip they are having all the heat issues with. Those that operate on the 875 chipset. This may be Intels way of fighting back against the 64 bit Athalon porcessor by AMD. If it is a true standard I am sure AMD will get on the band wagon eventually but probably not till after the Intel boards are on the open market for a few months.
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Kevin3824
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The Fastest Lane to PCI EXPRESS™ is with ATI
PCI Express™ will dominate new PCs
2004 will mark the most significant update to PC architecture in the past decade. This is the year when the new PCI Express™ architecture will arrive on the market to replace the AGP and PCI standards. Already one application - HDTV video editing - requires PCI Express, and there will certainly be others in the near future, including PC gaming .
ATI is at the forefront of this wave of innovation by being the first graphics provider to demonstrate a live-running PCI Express graphics solution.
ATI is supplying true PCI Express cards
ATI’s video processors have a native, or “true” PCI Express interface. They can communicate directly with the PCI Express bus at PCI Express speeds.
Other graphics companies have cards that are compatible with PCI Express, but they are still only AGP cards that are “bridged” by a second chip to be physically compatible with PCI Express slots on the motherboard. This architecture can only work at AGP speeds, and is more vulnerable to failure, performance bottlenecks and incompatibility with software applications.
Multiple Benefits of ATI’s True PCI Express Solution
ATI’s PCI Express design provides up to double the bandwidth of bridged PCI Express solutions. Full bandwidth is available in both upstream and downstream directions, whereas bridged PCI Express (AGP) provides only unidirectional bandwidth.
Better reliability
There are fewer failure points with native one-chip ATI PCI Express due to the smaller number of physical connections, which lowers the time delay between when data is requested and when it is delivered. This also translates into more robust error correction and recovery than bridged PCI Express.
Better power management
The serial bus with the reduced pin structure of the ATI native PCI Express architecture reduces the number of signals required, supporting lower power consumption and PCI Express's low-power idle states.
Notebook users will find this feature of particular importance.
More cost efficient
Unlike the bridged chip, the native one-chip design of new ATI PCI Express graphics processors will be brought on stream without significant incremental system cost.
ATI PCI Express Demonstration
ATI is being joined by Intel® and Pinnacle® Systems to demonstrate High Definition (HD) video editing on a PC at Intel Developer’s Forum in San Francisco the week of February 17th, 2004.
Made possible by PCI Express’s high speed data transfers, the demonstration has to use the industry’s only true PCI Express visual processing unit (VPU). ATI’s PCI Express VPU, in conjunction with the advanced real time HD engine being developed by Pinnacle, takes advantage of the new read and write capabilities offered by PCI Express.
The future is here, stay tuned to see it first with ATI
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thecybrwlf
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While Kevin is right that AMD maybe a logner wait, one which most of you know I don't mind doing, there is documented proof that I can link you to.
http://www.formfactors.org
These are form factor standards, I can't prove that these are the guys that decide the form factor but they have documentation none the less.
If you actually look at the ATX, MicroATX and NLX standards again you will see no mention of AMD anywhere in there. Yet I don't think I have to prove to you that AMD does have mobo's in at least ATX and MicroATX (NLX has been "ARCHIVED" so I think it's gonn the way of the dodo bird). It's a standard but it doesn't specify what components are put on the board even tho the new board is suppose to end legacy products as well (no PS2 ports y'all). If MSI desides to make a mobo that is a BTX standard but has PS2 ports, is it now not BTX? no.
But take this whole situation with a grain of salt. Next week they might release the new "AMD-TX" standard, but for the most part I think the AMD versions of the BTX standard will have the Normal AMD ziffs you know and love and the proper chipsets. Other then that, I don't think BTX will be very different.
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abysal
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Just do a look up on google on the BTX standard. It will be starting to phase in around the end of 04' into 05'. If you look at that link I posted it shows what they will look like. They are basically flipped around boards. (BTX = Backwards... Something.. Somthing  But I'm pretty sure that there will be plenty of PCI-X ATX boards out also.
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Flux
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| Remember that there are 2 PCI standards that I think we're confusing.. PCI-X is the server based architexture that is still parallel based.. PCI Express is the new serial standard to be implimented on the proposed BTX standard. Just for clarification.
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